Torque spec information posts - suggestions?

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:55 am

Me and Tim were talking about this, and I am willing to take on this task of putting up torque specs for all year FZRs. I'm looking for some suggestions on doing this. 1) What section would you like to see this in? The year specific threads for bikes, or just in the Tech forum? 2) Does anybody have objections for using torque specs from a Haynes manual? Yes I know the general consensus when it comes to Haynes, but it's all I have to work with. 3) Anything in particular you would want specs for first? As in the wheels, forks, brakes, etc. 4) Would you prefer one great big post, or multiple posts (in the same thread) dealing with each specific part of the bike? (And no John I'm looking for a reason to up my post count...lol) 5) Do you want the years seperated or tied in together for the same bike area? So, say the post that contains the specs for the brakes would have all years and sizes in it. Now, this is going to take awhile, especially due to the fact that the torque numbers vary greatly year to year and also from bike size. Also, at this time I will only be able to post specs for FZRs. I'll probably pick up a YZF manual down the road when this is done. If somebody by chance has one they would like to get rid of let me know. Throw some suggestions my way, and I will try to start on it in the next week or so. Nate - '87 FZR1000 "I have come here to chew bubble-gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble-gum." <img src="http://members.optusnet.com.au/lanemeye ... karate.gif" style="border:0;"/>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... ionburn</A> at: 7/2/04 5:07 pm

Post by **jjs777** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:18 am

Here are my rambling thoughts. 1) Decide what specs we want to post. 2) Gather those specs 3) Put them in word or html format and make em look perty. 4) Decide how best to display the info. IMHO The best method to post such info is not in a thread. I spoke to someone about this some time ago. The best place would simply be a link (url) from a - as of yet - decided place on this board. Since the board is already hooked into www.exupbrotherhood.com I think we should build off of that site where the 'specs' would be on the left hand side. <a href="http://www.exupbrotherhood.com/">www.ex ...  Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... >jjs777</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://home.comcast.net/~john.stempien/ ... larger.gif" BORDER=0> at: 7/2/04 11:18 pm

barneyfzr600 · Post by **barneyfzr600** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:53 am

I'm gonna scan my OEM manual for you nate<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> ! Jes give me a couple of days. Good stuff bro, cuz a lot of peeps out there usually ask about stuff like this. jjs777 has a good idea about a direct link to the page. In a post, it'll jes get dropped down the list sooner or later!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> I be ridin in the Cali Bay:'88 FZR1K'01 ZX-6R

Post by **FZRDude** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:58 am

PDF format would be better. Tim <img src="http://img69.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ...   Has anyone seen my keys? Dir. of Entertainment<a href="http://eddieandthecruisersmc.com" target="top"> Eddie & the Cruisers</a> '94 FZR 1000

Post by **jjs777** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:49 am

pdf? and the advantage over html ? -John

Exupilot · Post by **Exupilot** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:08 am

Engine torque specs would be the most useful, followed by headstock bearings, swingarm etc. As for any other fittings, I employ the VFT method, very f'kin tight so it don't fall off. It would be useful to indicate the use of stud-lock on certain component's like brake disc bolts, just so anyone looking doesn't just torque these up without. Rob

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:21 pm

Well, you guys can make the decision on where to place the links/posts. I just need to know what/how to type it out. I can do it in as a basic file in Word or whatever and copy it over as I get it done, or finish the whole thing before we put it up on the site. Just give me some direction so I know where to start, cause like I said this is gonna take me awhile. Nate - '87 FZR1000 "I have come here to chew bubble-gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble-gum." <img src="http://members.optusnet.com.au/lanemeye ... karate.gif" style="border:0;"/>

cvhjkdis · Post by **cvhjkdis** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:46 am

Ok Nate, you'r a brave soul to take that on. Here's a few thoughts - First - The disclaimer for legal reasons ( someone uses those specs and crashes) so footnote the source - always. Second - Make the data base a living document, easy to update and edit, I've noticed tech manuals tend to contradict themselves. PDF? HTML? whatever is easier. Third - subject grouping. Don't count on a publisher to set the format, They do what's easiest for them, not us. Sugestion for item 3, basic seperation of major components I.E. (Drive train) - - Engine - fuel - exhaust - Chain sprockets/final drive With sub-catagory grouping as needed. That's going to cover a lot of stuff right there, But hey, we can do stuff that a tech writer could never do also, Like catagories for stuff that counts, and stuff that might not matter ( bolt tourque for right lower fairing) Well you know, have a sense of humor.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"> Iv'e been working with poorly written transit manuals for years, It might be fun to put together a set of manuals that would actually be useable. I'd be willing to help on this.

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:26 am

Good idea about the "legal" aspects. Question though...think we would get in trouble if we put up the book we get the info from? I doubt the publisher would give permission since that would take away from sales in their eyes. That's the one thing if the torque spec were in post form. It would be easy to go back and update. I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to do it if we did go with the way John suggested and put a direct link on the main Brotherhood webpage. With PDF we could make it look really nice...but then everybody would have to go and download Acrobat if they don't have it already. I like pdf but want it to be easy for members to access. Granted if 95% of us have it then it wouldn't be a prob. Keep the suggestions coming...like I said I'm not worried about "where" we put the info up. I'll leave that up to the admins. If others are willing to get involved in helping write it up we could tackle different sections on our own and compile the info in the end. We'll simply need to get the formating question out of the way first. Nate - '87 FZR1000 "I have come here to chew bubble-gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble-gum." <img src="http://members.optusnet.com.au/lanemeye ... karate.gif" style="border:0;"/>

cvhjkdis · Post by **cvhjkdis** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:48 pm

If were just doing tourque specs, I doubt if any one would claim copy right infringement. After all, isn't that what Haynes is doing to yamaha? ( granted, they pay for it, but this is an open forum). Footnote quoting is perfectly legal as far as I know, were not originating the info, but we should be carefull about making any changes - since we don't intend to carry any of the liability load. On this PDF thing, is it easier to enter info in that format? I can't answer that question myself, it does take longer for me to look at a PDF doc. than html - that much I do know. I say lets do it, how do you want to split it up?

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:41 am

Thanks for offering to help on this Bob. Well, Tim & John...you guys call the shots on this one. Let us know how you want it formated. I'm thinking we can just go ahead and use Word or whatever for now and can copy it over to another program later if we need to. Bob, I'm going to look at my book tonight and try to get an idea of how to set the page up. Trying to figure out what will look best because one part could end up having 10 different torque numbers between all the years and sizes. In a way it would be easier to do this on a program like Excel since it would be easy to make the columns and line everything up. With that we could list all the bikes across the top of the page and fill in the rows. Like I said I'm going to look at it tonight..well, at least try to. Got my new tire today so I'm getting it mounted after work (wo-hoo!!!). Let me know what ideas you have as well. Nate 87 FZR 1000 We got clearence, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... ionburn</A> at: 7/6/04 8:42 am

cvhjkdis · Post by **cvhjkdis** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:22 pm

That Excel idea actually sounds like a good way to start Nate. Since my system is pretty bare bones right now, I'll have to do some software upgrades. It's raining here today, so maybe working over the computer is the best idea for me. "Yeah" on all the differences between years for the same assemblys. So far, Iv'e owned an '89 and currently the '92 FZR 1000, so I'm up up on the differences between those two - but there will be be lots of other subtle model year changes to keep track of also. It'd be a big help if someone who's really up on these could help with calling out the major year to year changes ( USD fork, two bolt/four bolt front axle pinch bolts, etc.). I'm hoping Chuck D and jjs (others?) can help out on that. I'll post to you'r inbox with contact info. Bob.

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:32 pm

Sounds good, Bob. More I've been thinking about it the Excel program seems like it would be best to start out on. I'll have to do mine on Open Office, which is like Excel but not as good (our company got busted by Microsoft for running a bunch of Office programs illegally, so I don't have that anymore...lol) but they are compatible programs. Nate 87 FZR 1000 We got clearence, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

Nbot · Post by **Nbot** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:42 pm

you mean people actually get by w/o acrobat? '94 Fizzer 1000

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:38 am

John/Tim, Bob and I talked last night for awhile on how to go about doing this. We both agree the doing it on Excel would probably be easiest. That way we can list the parts vertically, then list the torque specs going across with the year & sizes along the top. Now, if we were to go ahead and do it on Excel, would it be easy to convert? Meaning if you provide a direct link to it, can you take a spreadsheet and convert it into HTML? This is where my computer knowledge waves bye-bye.... Nate 87 FZR 1000 We got clearence, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

Post by **jjs777** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:07 pm

orionburn, When manipulating data in Excel, it is easy to then SAVE AS type .html Wa-la EXCEL would also favor manipulating the data to add/delete/modify data then re-post as html. -John

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:27 pm

Cool beans...well as long as Bob and I are on the same page we can get rolling on this then. Bob, I will start a sample sheet when I get a chance. Like I said I have to use the Open Office program, so I want to make sure if I send you a copy of what I'm working on it will convert ok. I've had a few minor problems opening old Excel documents with the O/O program. I'll give you a call (or call me when you get a chance) again this week and we can discuss where to start. I know you're doing computer shopping, and I won't have a chance to get crackin' on this for a few days. Nate 87 FZR 1000 We got clearence, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

cvhjkdis · Post by **cvhjkdis** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:03 pm

Roger, Roger........... Got the new system about half together Nate, I'm busy working with drive registries to get all my programs back where I can use them, No bets on how this will turn out, But I'll try not to loose the important stuff. I still need to get office suite to get rolling, But I'll stay in touch on that. Might shoot you another call to ask on progress....... Bob.

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:47 am

Well, I may not be able to start on this like I thought. I'm to the point where I'm getting damn close to walking out of my job. I've never done that before, but this place has become an absolute joke and I just can't stand it anymore. I'm hoping to hang in there long enough until I can find something new. Either way, if I leave here I won't be very active on the board for awhile (you can stop clapping now Tim...). This is pretty much my daily access to the 'hood, and without a comp at home it will make it hard to visit as often. So, if you guys see me vanish for awhile you know in advance what's going on. Don't want anybody to think I wiped out and am laid up in the hospital. Bob...if I can, I will try and do something with the torque specs. We may have to put off doing this for awhile until I get set up at home with a new system. Nate 87 FZR 1000 We got clearence, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

flyingcircus68 · Post by **flyingcircus68** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:37 pm

While your at it, why not create a spread sheet with with the year, exhaust, carbs, intake mods, local elevation, local temps, jetting and performance info. Sounds like it might be too much work. Opinions?

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