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runs crap wn hot

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:55 pm
by indymorg
has any 1 any ideas when my 89 exup 1000 gets hot in traffic the throttle response is crap. its hard to pull off at any pace, 2up its dangerous.get a bit of open road ands it starts to cool it comes back on line<br>carbs have been set although it has done 48000 miles so they could be worn <br>cheers <p></p><i></i>

Re: runs crap wn hot

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:02 pm
by jjs777
Is the fan indeed coming on at all?<br><br>Have you double checked the radiator fluid?<br><br>The bike is now 14 years old - is it possible that the radiator is blocked internally ?<br><br>With the left rear cowl off, have you checked that the exup valve motor is indeed able to turn and cycle when turning the bike off/on ?<br><br><br> <p>-John</p><i></i>

Carbs

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:15 pm
by dragracer1951
Classic rich symptoms<br>Have a look at the emulsion tubes.<br>Jet kit?<br>do a search...lots of ideas been discussed on this subject<br>J <p></p><i></i>

rich

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:39 pm
by indymorg
yes the fan works and yes the exup valve works <br>so i think the over rich is the way to go cheers <p></p><i></i>

Re: rich

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:31 am
by flyingcircus68
If your having a problem with consistent idle and off idle stumble when it's hot, then your problem might be either rich mixture as dragracer mentioned, or it can be the valve seals. The mileage you listed on your post is high enough to suspect worn valve seals. <br><br>Check your plugs. See if they have an oily deposit on the threads. How is the porcelain? It should be white. <br><br>Have someone ride behind you while you wind it up in second gear to 6k, or so, chop the throttle, then quickly apply throttle. If you see blue smoke, its either the rings, or valve seals. If it runs good on cold days, it's probably worn valve seals. <br><br>The seals are made of a green polymer which I suspect is viton. If your seals are worn, they will work marginally when it's cold, but as they heat up they grow and get softer. When they stop hugging the stem, high vacuum conditions such as idle, coast down and max power suck oil past the valve stem. <br><br>I've collected 87k on my odometer and the hot idle/off idle had become enough of a problem that I recently replaced the seals (2nd set). I made my own spring compressor tool that allowed me to do the work with the head on the bike. I went out on a 90 deg. day and I let it idle until the fan cycled. I purposely stuck myself in traffic to see how it would run. I had no problem. Even after extensive idling, it pulls away cleanly. It happily pulls away with no throttle at all. <br><br>If anyone is looking to swap out the seals without removing the head, I could send you a drawing of the spring compressor tool. <p></p><i></i>

Re: rich

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:40 am
by flyingcircus68
I forgot to add the following tidbit:<br><br>When checking the plug color, look for a little deposit staining the porcelain tip. If this deposit is only on one side of the porcelain and the opposite side is white, you might have valve seals that decided to retire. The deposit is from the oil that is being sprayed on it during the intake cycle. The porcelain is made to run hot, so it bakes on instantly.<br><br>Well that's it, time to head out and enjoy the blast of hot air from the cooling fan. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :riding --><img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... iker_3.gif ALT=":riding"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

valve comp

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:47 pm
by indymorg
thanks for that do u think that it might be why the slides in my carbs do not begin to lift until about 3500 be cause of the lose in vacuum ? not noticed any smoke but would definitely like the plans fore the valve comp<br>cheeres <p></p><i></i>

Re: valve comp

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:47 pm
by flyingcircus68
No, the vacuum leak from worn seals would not be enough to cause a vacuum loss and should not have any appreciable affect on part throttle running. <br><br>You should not expect your slides to oscillate at idle or off idle. I don't have an exact rpm for you to pinpoint when they should be called into action, but it really depends on air demand. 3500 rpm is in the neighborhood of what I would expect the slides to start jumping around. <p></p><i></i>

carbs

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:18 pm
by indymorg
ok thanks for that its put my mind at rest a bit<br>it must be mainly using someother jet then below 3500<br>if so people are saying drop the needle down a notch but this would not help, because that would only take affect after 3500 ? <p></p><i></i>

Re: carbs

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:26 pm
by flyingcircus68
You're suspicions are correct. that rpm is mainly controlled by the pilot jet circuit. These can be changed out also, but in most cases you wouldn't have. Change them only after you're sure about the main jet/jet needle combo. <p></p><i></i>

When was the last time your valves were adjusted?

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:56 am
by dvsfzr1000
I had the same problem with my bike and it was because the valves were so badly out of adjustment that a feeler gauge(way smaller than spec) wouldn't even fit between the bucket and cam base circle. The intake valves weren't closing all the way when hot. <p></p><i></i>

Re: When was the last time your valves were adjusted?

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:07 am
by flyingcircus68
Good call dvs, <br><br>Valve clearance can be a culprit and probably should be checked first. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :cheers --><img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

Re: When was the last time your valves were adjusted?

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:15 am
by flyingcircus68
Indy,<br><br>I could send you a pdf of the tool via email. I don't have a personal website, so I can't post it there. I'm too ignorant to know if there is any other way. <p></p><i></i>

needles

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:55 pm
by indymorg
hi sorry its been a while but i have had a career change and been really busy so u will need my e mail then yes ? one thing i did have time to do recently i dropped the needles 1 groove its really improved the bottom end but the middle where it was strong is now not so good. but at least it shows it must be to rich at the idle to 4 thousand. maybe if i put the the needles back and turn the mixture down a turn ? <p></p><i></i>

Re: needles

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:58 am
by flyingcircus68
If you're burning oil, leaning will help keep the plugs clean, but that is not the solution. Check your plug threads. if they are oily, fix that problem first. If not, then it's probably a jetting problem and you could play with the pilot jet or fuel level to lean out off idle. <p></p><i></i>

cooling fan

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:35 am
by Androooooo
just wondering, at what temperature should the cooling fan come on?<br><br>if it isnt coming on, what is the likely cause?<br><br>thanks guys,<br>Andrew<br>1997 yamaha yzf600r <p></p><i></i>

Re: cooling fan

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:25 am
by FZRDude
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c

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:55 am
by indymorg
there is no oil on the threads . but the porcelain was black is in to weaken? i think it is <p></p><i></i>

Re: c

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:13 pm
by flyingcircus68
Before you fiddle with the mixture, verify that it's not another problem. valve clearance, ignition system, emulsion tubes, float height, etc. There is plenty of info in related threads, so read and investigate. <p></p><i></i>