Please Help Jello :(

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:15 pm

She seams to have another problem

http://exupbrotherhood1.com/phpbb2/view ... 2&start=40

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:45 pm

Jello needs more help

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Patrick rode over today and we tried some parts.

We can make a spark manually.
Also, my ignition works in his bike.
and we put his crank trigger in Jello and still got no spark.

We did not try her crank trigger in his bike because it would have taken an act of congress to get it out of the wiring loom.

Also, the resistance readings are the same at rest but different when cranking the bikes.

So, what do I do?
Could it be the crank trigger even though we did not notice a difference with his?
Could it be the crank?

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:01 pm

What about the clearance between the crank trigger and the crank?

If I move it out slightly it stops reading but is is possible that it is seeing something where it is but not enough to decide where TDC is?
Like it needs to be closer?

sickle44 · Post by **sickle44** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:08 pm

Chrissy,

I asked you about this b4 but I'm not sure you knew entirely what I was saying and you poo pooed me, so I'll try one more time. The ignition harness from the keyed switch itself uses too small a gauge for constant and it often leads to a melted molex right around the coils. I'm wondering if somehow that circuit or switch is fubared somehow and not allowing enough voltage either through the constant line(starving actual ignition) or the ignition line(allowing starting but not ignition itself, I think), the only other thing to rule out on that line is ground.

As far as your CPS goes, did the little magnetic reader do-hickey deally in the end of the crank perhaps get damaged somehow, fall out? Just a thought. There's no adjustment for those things they either bolt in or... yeah but you know that I know. Just thinkin' out loud and tryin' to help you and Jello.

Hope this helps

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:46 am

Yes I did because the ignition system is fine and tested from the plugs back to and including the ignitor.

The questionable parts are the pickup coil (but we got no positive function from Patrick's on Jello)
and the actual crank.

I am not sure what you mean by something falling out?
It is pretty much like the toothed gear on a car except they are like divits and then a cresent area for the missing tooth.

The only thing I can think would be the problem is distance to the sensor. Like maybe in some way this crank is a micron different then Jello's original and that is making a difference?

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:09 am

Chrissy
I ain't the lectrical guy, but may I suggest removing the keyless iggy and going back to what it was before. Seems I recall you did that while waiting on some other stuff. I would take it back where it was, so that you are dealing with one modification at a time.

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:16 am

Well that is not the issue.
If anything the system is simpler this way.

OK for those of you in the cheap seats

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coils have 2 wires one is positive the other one goes right to the ignitor

The ignitor has 8 wires

2 go to the coils
1 positive
1 ground
1 to the fuel pump
1 from the side stand relay

2 from the pickup coil

That is the entire ignition system. You could take it off the bike and as long as you grounded the ground and ss relay wire and provided 12v to the positive wires it would do its job.

For the last time, there is no issue there. IT ALL WORKS AND IS TESTED upto the pickup coil.

You guys keep telling me about putting it back the way it was. THE CRANK IS NEW! and I am not freaking taking that out.

So someone tell me about the crank trigger.

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:31 am

Does anyone know if the signal generated by the pickup coil is a sinewave or a squarewave and it is 8-1 yes?

Also, what is the proper clearance between the pickup and the crank?

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:11 pm

Patrick is a genius.

He is the dragracer1951 of electrical problems.

Jello started right up and is making crazy power but has a big oil leak. I have to get on it now.

Post by **FZRDude** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:12 pm

Woot!!!

gonna tell us what the fix was?

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:14 pm

NO! lol

It is fixed lets leave it at that

and Patrick has been sworn to secrecy!

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:15 pm

Now she has to get back outside and play with the other motorcycles.

The Engine sounds mean!

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:19 pm

Did you use the lobe center numbers I gave you?

sickle44 · Post by **sickle44** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:23 pm

Ohhhh so it was ignition or that loose negative cable at the battery eh?

Doh, Heyyy, quit throwing shit at me! Can you pay for my ticket to the gold seats btw?

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:09 pm

No not the ignition or a loose ground.

What is the gold seats?

Yes, I used your lobe centre numbers

I will test ride her on Saturday if I finish stuff tomorrow and get up like before afternoon. I am sleeping over my special friend's house tomorrow

RUFtech · Post by **RUFtech** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:23 pm

MsHap wrote: What is the gold seats?

Opposite of the cheap seats

patrick · Post by **patrick** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:05 am

It is true. I have been sworn to secrecy. All I can say is if after all of this I can't help figure out why an '88 Yamaha isn't sparking, it's time to turn in my wrenches.

http://www.vma.cape.com/~patrick/temp/training.html

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Patrick

Copperslip Cowboy · Post by **Copperslip Cowboy** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:11 pm

Go on tell,
was it the kill switch, or side stand relay in the wrong position..

Fore warned is fore armed afterall.

MsHap · Post by **MsHap** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:19 pm

There is no kill switch in that sense. So no and thanks for reading lol

No, it was not the side stand.

It is crazy, you still have not read any of what I wrote or something?
Jello is not wired anything like a stock FZR.
Do you want to quote the manual some more? lol

patrick · Post by **patrick** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:17 pm

Okay, I'll fess up.

We found Kawasaki electrons in the wiring harness. I shooed them away with a Honda Common Service Manual and a quart of Yamalube 4R.

Patrick