Dogbones.... comming soon

Pete Aristocracy · Post by **Pete Aristocracy** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:55 am

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Waving.gif ALT=":hi"> I just can't help myself and must say how much good is Mr. Tim as director of entertainment as everytime I see this post and imagine that wonky set I start Laughting out loud as I did when I was a kid. I mean this kind of laughter (tears in eyes) that is hard as sometimes almost impossible to interrupt. <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> Thank You Tim! Pete

orionburn · Post by **orionburn** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:56 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>162's will raise the back about a half inch 160's about 1 inch 158's about 1 1/2 and 155's about 2 inches<hr></blockquote> Anybody want to explain to the n00b what the pros/cons of the different lengths would be? I may want to get in on this as well, Jim. Nate - 87 FZR1000 <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/ ...  Have you seen my fairing? Who cares...I got new ones!!!

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:26 am

The shorter the link the greater the lift in the rear and thus the faster the turn in... Djalbin knows a LOT aabout this as he has done the testing Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

djalbin · Post by **djalbin** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:26 pm

Nate, The pros/cons depends on the desired effect ... The shorter the link the higher the rear, and center, of the bike. This will shift the geometry/balance of the bike forward. Your inseam, weight, riding style, and tire profiles will determine if it's just right, too much, or not enough. Too much lift and your side kickstand may be too short and there may be too much bias on the front wheel. Below is a repost from an earlier posting on this topic: The dogbone length you want to measure is the distance from hole-center to hole-center. Standard distance is 6.5" or 165mm (at least it was on my 94 FZR1000). If you have a standard length dogbone the new length will depend on how much of a geometry change you want to make in the front-to-rear attitude of your bike. A shorter length dogbone will raise the rear suspension and shift the attitude (geometry) of the bike forward. The shorter dogbone will raise the rear and the center of your bike. It will also shift the balance point (weight bias) of your bike forward. How much shorter the dogbone should be is the mystery question ... because the answer is "it depends". It depends on the profile of your tires, your body size and weight, your inseam, and your riding style (i.e. where do you want the balance point to be on your bike). Some of the popular lengths are 10mm shorter, 7mm, and 5mm. I think there are some who went with 2.5mm and I ended up with 3.5mm We tried to calculate the effect of a 1mm change so we could construct a table that would show the forward bias and rear height change per 1mm, but it appears the change and effect is not linear. Best we could do was approximate. So it ended up with everyone experimenting with different lengths until they found one they liked. Some liked the length they choose with their first experiment and others didn't. I tried 10mm, 5mm, 2.5mm and finally 3.5mm to get my bike setup with a neutral balance point. One approximation that seems to fit is the "2.5 factor". Each 1mm difference in dogbone length appears to shift the balance point of the bike by 2.5". So 1mm shorter moves the balance point foward 2.5" and 1mm longer moves the balance point to the rear 2.5" It also appears that the aspect ratio (tire profile) difference has a 2.5 relationship. For example: the original 94 FZR1000 tires were 130/60 (78mm) and 170/60 (102mm). The difference is 24mm. Now put modern 120/70 (84mm) and 180/55 (99mm) tires on the bike. This difference is 15mm. The difference between the two sets of tires is 9mm with the front now 6mm higher and the rear now 3mm lower. To return the bike back to its original attitude (a.k.a geometry, balance point) you divide the 9mm by 2.5 to get a 3.6mm shorter dogbone adjustment (shift the geometry forward). I base this "2.5 factor" on the measurements I took with the different dogbone lengths I experimented with. The rear height variance did not appear to follow this linear progression. Also the "2.5 factor" is an approximation. The actual circumference (profile) of a 120/70 tire from Dunlop may be different than a 120/70 from Michellin or Bridgestone or whomever. Don

barneyfzr600 · Post by **barneyfzr600** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:39 am

What's you're weight Djalbin? I'm 150 lbs., 5' 8". Am I right to go with the 162's? Jim, anyone help me out! I got 120/70 and 180/55 pilot powers soon! Soon, meaning, when I get the dogs!<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> Freelance Bodyman I be ridin the Cali Bay Area '88 & '89 FZR1K BOTH ARE ONLY HALF NAKED NOW!!!

djalbin · Post by **djalbin** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:54 pm

Pon, 162mm should do it for you. That's 3mm shorter than the stock 165mm. I ended up with 161.5mm (3.5mm shorter). My weight is 165-170 lbs, 5'8", 120/70, 180/55 Dunlop D208. Considering the weight difference, 3mm for you should be equivalent to 3.5mm for me. I tried 2.5mm and the balance point on the bike was not forward enough. 5mm was too far foward for me (I was trying to obtain a neutral front/rear bias). The only thing I'm not sure of is the difference in tire circumference between the D208s and the Pilot Powers. Don

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:05 pm

I have three sets of 162's off the machine with one set spoken for. 160's are comming later tonight Get me an email and I'll have them in the mail on monday I should have 158's and 155's also for shippment Monday Paypal is my email addy in my profile $35 plus $7 shipping in US Those outside US need to email me and we'll figure your shipping Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

Post by **FZRDude** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:35 pm

Jim, I'll take a set of 162's and I'll pick them up the next time I'm over. <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ...  There are some who call me........Tim? Top Speed = Mach 0.197 or so...  1994 FZR 1000 <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ...

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:14 pm

162's are gone till I make more. That'll be next week Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

Post by **Hooligan** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:53 pm

anyone know what the stock length is for the 750? i still gotta measure...

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:13 pm

You go measure and I'll make whatever you guys need I just got material for more dogbones... I just have a couple of Navy projects to get out of the way Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:41 pm

They are done... Send me an email...addy's in my profile whoever wants these I have 160's 158's and 155's left If there is any interest I'll make more Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

barneyfzr600 · Post by **barneyfzr600** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:10 am

Put my dog bones on Saturday and went out all day today to test 'em out. I like the way the bike now has a good neutral feeling to it. Turn in is a lot more smoother and clean. Now I just need to mount the Powers and I'll be good! Thanks Jim!<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> Freelance Bodyman I be ridin the Cali Bay Area '88 & '89 FZR1K BOTH ARE ONLY HALF NAKED NOW!!!

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:54 am

Glad they got there ok, and they worked well Barney... Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

nsw9154 · Post by **nsw9154** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:04 pm

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... ng_sad.gif ALT=":sad"> jim dragracer ----i have tried to email you with my paypal and email details but i can not seem to send to you i keep getting kicked out -------- so will get in touch with me at ---------- nswalk9154@hotmail.com thanks norman ----------- ooooooooo i was nearly going to post my address <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> hehehe well i have had a few beers ----- ooooooo take this sinner boy home hehehehe <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> <img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Stupid.gif ALT=":stupid">

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:28 am

Email sent Norman I have some 160's, 158's and 155's $35 plus $7 shipping an the USA and $20 air mailed to UK Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

mynewbike · Post by **mynewbike** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:58 am

Hi Jim my dog bones on my YZF1000R 97 are 6.5". If I want to raise the rear 3" what size should I use? Mike

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:55 am

The length is the same (stock) as for an FZR (165mm = 6.5 inches or very close) 155mm links will raise the rear 2 inches and I can not imagine wanting to raise the bike 3" That would make the steering WAY to quick and twitchy. But I do have some 155mm links Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

mynewbike · Post by **mynewbike** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:48 pm

OK I will go for a set of the 155 if they are still available? I will pm you with the details<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"> Mike

dragracer1951 · Post by **dragracer1951** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:15 am

Click on my profile to the left and you'll get to my Email... Yes I have some 155's laying around Jim <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... states.gif" style="border:0;"/> Hey Kid...Is my taillight working?

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