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As much as I am sad that smaller firms can't compete in MotoGP,
because of the costs of developing new and better technology, that's
the way it's gotta be, otherwise we end up restricting MotoGP
innovations more and more till they are at the level of
the local club meet.

If Ilmor and KR and so on want to be competitive on a
lower budget then they need to enter a more
standardised series like WSBK or WSS. Look at the results Ten Kate
have got and they're 'just' a dealer team...
Mind you, they'd all be brilliant MotoGP teams if more people
watched MotoGP! Yes, that's right, if they could get more sponsorship
money then they'd probably be fine.

I do like the technological innovations from MotoGP also. Yes, street tyres
have improved radically but also look at the '08 R1, it has slipper clutch
and variable intake trumpets, and fly-by-wire, straight off Rossi's 03 bike,
plus next model (09) we'll get the crossplane crankshaft too.
On top of that we get unnoticeable "tweaks" learned in racing such as
better steering head offsets and swingarm pivot point positioning.
:banana

Well, at least some riders will get those benefits. All I can afford
is the cool tyres for my old FZR. :hissy

You know, one of my primary considerations when I chose
this bike was a good forum and 17" tyre sizes, I was so sick of
not being able to buy decent tyres for my previous bike.
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Following the first round of Moto gp testing on spec tyers, who would have guest it

Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa................then a very close pack containing everyone except Tosland, who was 2.5 sec a lap slower than his team mate, oh dear!!

So there you have it, Friday 13th Feb 2009, Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa, not in that order, but 1,2,3...........then a close pack containing every one else

Go Casey

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stan wrote:Following the first round of Moto gp testing on spec tyers, who would have guest it

Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa................then a very close pack containing everyone except Tosland, who was 2.5 sec a lap slower than his team mate, oh dear!!
Maybe thats because Toseland suffered a 125mph highside on the first day...............Apologies for the poor quality scan, but it doesn't seem to be online anywhere.

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damn :scared
that looks like its gonna hurt
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Man... Granted that sort of prang is going to slow you up a bit! He's lucky to be still with us. Though at the Sepang tests he was last on the sheets and 2.5 seconds off the pace. The only place to go is up...lol....

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Only 2 weeks until the next test at Losail. Lets see if CE can go 2.5 seconds a lap faster there. I'll stick my neck out now and say that he wont be able to. :)
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Should be interesting for sure. Sounds like Tosland is putting himself under undue pressure. I'll bet he is last again. I reckon Edwards is up for a good year, probably his last. Would be good to see him win a race. Wish our newspapers ran 8 page moto gp specials...lol.

Wondering... which free to air channels in the UK cover the road racing series, ie: WSBK BSBK Moto-gp and the street racing series ie: IOM North west etc? I would like to look at getting free to air Satellite.

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spook wrote:Should be interesting for sure. Sounds like Tosland is putting himself under undue pressure. I'll bet he is last again. I reckon Edwards is up for a good year, probably his last. Would be good to see him win a race. Wish our newspapers ran 8 page moto gp specials...lol.

Wondering... which free to air channels in the UK cover the road racing series, ie: WSBK BSBK Moto-gp and the street racing series ie: IOM North west etc? I would like to look at getting free to air Satellite.
The scan is from Motorcycle news, its a motorcycling weekly. They usually have at least 8 pages dedicated to road race stories and at this time of year they're not much going on so a motogp test fills it nicely.

As far as the free to air channels go, The bbc are covering all the motogp rounds so and I think ITV are covering BSB. As far as I'm aware only eurosport are showing WSBK, although i read somewhere that you can view this on the wsbk website?
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i wonder how Tosland feels when he sees a pic like that, and how Yamaha feel about a hand built, prototype bike being upside down with the rider 4 foot above it??? OUCH

perhaps the reason he had such a big off was he was pushing to get up the time sheet??

I like the MCN web page, they have a good wrap of all forms of road racing


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thanks for the heads up owdamer. Will look into it. I have satellite foxtel, but I'm not that happy about the $1000 a year It costs me to watch the supers when there is potentially so much more on offer.

The main thing is that the ball is rolling again... Thank God (the motorcycling one)... The anticipation is unbearable. Stan and I are heading to the 1st round of the supers in two weeks time at the Island, should be an awesome weekend!

If the team have any sense of humour they will write a message to James on the belly pan underside in case he finds hinself there again. Hopefully the only way he can enjoy the potential future joke is viewing it with a mirror!

There is no doubt about his talent, he just needs to look within, and allow the superman within to emerge naturally. Was it Tosland wearing the flag like a cape a while ago?

Hmmmmm..

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stan wrote:i wonder how Tosland feels when he sees a pic like that, and how Yamaha feel about a hand built, prototype bike being upside down with the rider 4 foot above it??? OUCH

perhaps the reason he had such a big off was he was pushing to get up the time sheet??

I like the MCN web page, they have a good wrap of all forms of road racing


stan
I imagine yamaha were thinking "oh no, not this again". MCN are reporting that the damage to JT's bike is being estimated at £200,000.
At a time when they are trying to cut costs thats the last thing you need. One of the hazards of racing I guess. If they go for the one bike per rider ruling I wonder what they do in the event of similar crashes?
JT was certainly pushing when he crashed. He was running a different compound to his earlier laps and he was .5 up at the first split.
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spook wrote:Should be interesting for sure. Sounds like Tosland is putting himself under undue pressure. I'll bet he is last again.
MotoGP Official Night Test at Losail, Qatar. Session 1.

1 Nicky Hayden USA 2:00.717
2 Marco Melandri ITA 2:00.867
3 Mika Kallio FIN 2:01.020
4 Alex De Angelis RSM 2:01.074
5 Niccolo Canepa ITA 2:01.328
6 Chris Vermeulen AUS 2:01.843
7 Yuki Takahashi JPN 2:03.221
8 Andrea Dovizioso ITA 2:03.233
9 James Toseland GBR 2:03.417
10 Randy De Puniet FRA 2:03.580
11 Colin Edwards USA 2:03.652
12 Toni Elias SPA 2:08.637
13 Jorge Lorenzo SPA 2:24.832
14 Valentino Rossi ITA 1:12:31.872
15 Dani Pedrosa SPA
16 Casey Stoner AUS
17 Loris Capirossi ITA
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This session was rain effected, as you can see Rossi did a 1hr 12min lap!!

the best result on that time sheet is Marco, his on a bike and Kawazaki avoid a $40mil (AUD) fine

Let the season begin, .......eventualy

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spook wrote:Should be interesting for sure. Sounds like Tosland is putting himself under undue pressure. I'll bet he is last again.
MotoGP Official Night Test at Qatar - Day Two, best times
1. Casey Stoner, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1'57.139 (37)
2. Valentino Rossi, Fiat Yamaha Team - 1'57.747 (51)
3. Colin Edwards, Tech3 Yamaha - 1'57.817 (41)
4. Andrea Dovizioso, Repsol Honda - 1'57.879 (60)
5. Chris Vermeulen, Suzuki MotoGP - 1'58.018 (24)
6. Loris Capirossi, Suzuki MotoGP - 1'58.264 (42)
7. Jorge Lorenzo, Fiat Yamaha Team - 1'58.400 (63)
8. Alex De Angelis, San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1'58.441 (53)
9. Nicky Hayden, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1'58.577 (54)
10. Dani Pedrosa, Repsol Honda - 1'58.619 (28)
11. Randy De Puniet, LCR Honda MotoGP - 1'58.936 (55)
12. Toni Elias, San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1'59.036 (56)
13. Yuki Takahashi, Scot Racing Team - 1'59.153 (65)
14. Marco Melandri, Hayate Racing Team - 1'59.195 (63)
15. Niccolo Canepa, Pramac Racing - 1'59.266 (36)
16. Mika Kallio, Pramac Racing - 1'59.764 (48)
17. James Toseland, Tech3 Yamaha - 2'00.234 (51)

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Yes i know. I can't believe he came last. Still, theres another day to go yet.
I guess that highside at the last test destroyed more than just his bike.
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Don't get me wrong, I hate to see anyone struggling, (Hmmm, maybe Max Biaggi) and I personally are a Tosland fan... Hell, I have a British passport :) I have an interview from after the prang, sums it pretty well up. I'll see if I can scan it.

Here are the day 3 results... He's not completely last. Keep smiling :poke

1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 55.744 sec
2. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 56.733 sec
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 56.972 sec
4. Chris Vermeulen AUS Team Suzuki 1min 57.224 sec
5. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 57.225 sec
6. Loris Capirossi ITA Team Suzuki 1min 57.253 sec
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1min 57.401 sec
8. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 57.449 sec
9. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 57.515 sec
10. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 57.591 sec
11. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 57.804 sec
12. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1min 57.938 sec
13. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 1min 57.946 sec
14. Yuki Takahashi JPN Team Scot 1min 58.412 sec
15. James Toseland GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 58.786 sec
16. Marco Melandri ITA Hayate Racing Team 1min 58.851 sec :)

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Oh dear, it looks like Marco Melandri really has lost his touch and it
wasn't just the Ducati being difficult that made his results so atrocious
last year.

Chris Vermuelen, Loris, and the Suzuki, seem to have a head-start on
development, are they using a bike with a lot of the old stuff that
will be superseded and overtaken during the year?

Nicky Hayden seems to have adjusted to the Ducati reasonably well
so far, that's great news because he's a nice bloke and I thought he
didn't get a fair go with Honda.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say, for the year,
1 Rossi, 2 Stoner, 3 Lorenzo
Next 3: Hayden, Dovizioso, Pedrosa in no particular order

I guess we will see...
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These are scans from Australian Motorcycle News Vol58 No16 18Feb-3Mar 2009. I'm sure I'm breaching copyright, somehow, though they have been correctly referenced :)

Keep in mind Cam that Melandri is on a unsupported bike. As Stan says, to avoid a 40 million dollar fine. What chance to you think he really has?
owdamer wrote:I guess that highside at the last test destroyed more than just his bike.
No doubt..... Jokes aside, I'm sure he is man enough to overcome the incident?

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Keep in mind Cam that Melandri is on a unsupported bike. As Stan says, to avoid a 40 million dollar fine. What chance to you think he really has?
Ah, good point. Perhaps we should say he's the 4th highest placed
privateer.

So when's the first race?
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runner up is 1st looser is it not? Work it out from there? 1st looser 2nd looser etc....

There can only be one winner. (Casey)

Meladari is not even a privateer... He is the end result of a very cynical mathematical equation. The economic downturn (lull), really, has little to do with economics, more so the provision of an excuse for companies to redirect their resources, disperse staff, and pay themselves (the executives) bonuses for being so efficient....

If Kawasaki had any dignity, they would have just paid the fine and withdrawn gracefully.....paid out their riders and left everyone's reputation in tact? But poor old Melandri, already has a target drawn on him, and will nicely take responsibility for Kawasakis' failure to do anything this year. It really is a disgrace. They (Kawasaki) are quite unashamedly investing in WSBK. In some ways you can't blame them...

The maths probably goes something like this.

40 mill - 35 mill saved= Marco and team. Leaving Marco the scapegoat, however well he fits the profile. Cheers.

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